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is out of step with its members. joining me now is virginia congressman jim moran. briefly, let me ask you first about the fiscal cliff because i have you here. you and your members will get back to work tomorrow. i'm wondering is there going to be a last ditch effort to avoid this and what do you think is going to happen? >> i think the likelihood is that we go over the cliff, martin. and, of course, that's my primary focus because my congressional district would be the hardest hit if beat go over the fiscal cliff. i've got tens of thousands of federal employees and a great deal of defense spending would be at risk. so if we don't suspend the sequester and it looks like this very small deal may not even achieve that, then i'd have to be a "no" vote. so if i had to guess right now, i don't think we're going to be able to reach a deal no matter how small it might be. of course, at the very best, all we would do is stumble forward for a couple more months until we hit the debt ceiling and then face another crisis which is really a crisis of confidence in the government. i just can't imag
and close facilities. reporter: jim moran said his district, right outside of washington, home to many who work in the defense industry, could be harvested in the country. he is warning constituents that they can expect an immediate 8 billion-dollar cut in defense money if we go over the fiscal cliff. that, he says, will likely lead to job losses. jon? jon: that is very scary stuff. molly henneberg, thank you. harris: the nation is mourning the loss of norman schwarzkopf. he was 78 years old. the man known as storming norman drove out saddam hussein's forces in kuwait in 1991. operation desert storm entered one of our history books. you know, i have read that you say that the general earned every bit of his impeccable reputation as a leader. why is that? >> well, if you look back at where we were when he played a critical role in leading the first gulf war, we had come off of the 70s, which were the carter years, morale is really bad. reagan rebuilt the military during the 80s. then george h. w. bush took over as well. the team that was rebuilt, that new army and air force, the new navy th
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